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welcome to the skinwalker debrief i'm

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your host tj allard and i am one of the

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executive producers on the new history

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series called

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the secret of skinwalker ranch i'm

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joined each week

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by jason mcclellan and maureen ellsberry

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and together we dissect each episode to

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give you more insight into the show

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jason mcclellan has been exploring all

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the strange for more than a decade he's

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appeared on

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nat geo sci-fi history and he's the

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author of

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only weirdo c ufos an introduction to

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the public's misperception of

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unidentified aerial phenomenon and

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extraterrestrial life

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maureen is a journalist researcher and

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podcaster specializing in the anomalous

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she starred in the docu-series

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uncovering aliens on animal planet and

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served as an ambassador for science

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channels

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are we alone initiative and tonight we'd

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like to welcome back the head of

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security

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at skinwalker ranch bryant dragon arnold

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thanks for joining us again man you bet

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great to be back with you guys you guys

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are a pleasure to chat with so thanks

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for having me back

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awesome so this week in the spirit of

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keeping things moving

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um instead of going through each block

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of the show we're just gonna kind of

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recap the entire show

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so just go from you know 30 000 foot

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and this week's title uh poke in the

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nest

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i got the three bullet points that we

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gotta hit the drilling

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i got some ground shaking telephone

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poles and some alpacas so let's start

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with the drilling so brian

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there are a couple of reasons why we

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don't just bring excavation equipment

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out and just dig the whole ranch up

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number one we're not sure what's down

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there and so it's safer to do core

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samples first

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when we pull the core sample up and we

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look at it the first thing we're doing

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is having casey check it for radioactive

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material

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there's no radiation or anything in

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there so we can keep moving

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how was that experience i mean i know

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it's been it was hard leading up to that

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and i know travis was kind of you know

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ripping you a little bit about it

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so um how did how did you feel after all

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well i mean ultimately when you know

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brandon gave his

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you know mandate that they could go

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ahead with it then you know i mean he's

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my boss

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so um you know as much as

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it was i mean really it was his mandate

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in the beginning not to dig

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and i'm kind of taking you know the

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saying don't do it i was just holding up

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what he had asked me and we've we've

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kind of talked about that a little bit

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decided as opposed to just going and

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excavating up the road that the best way

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given the circumstances under travis

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having been exposed to radiation

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um and you know some of the lore and the

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unknowns and

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kind of one of the very few things we

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got from the bigelow era was them

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telling us you know don't dig i think it

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was even on

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the title of the property like one of

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ownership is that you weren't supposed

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so i you know that's what we were going

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but beforehand before we're going to do

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that because it was in the area where

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travis was exposed to radiation

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we brought back in the experts from

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qualtech to go

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and you know do another radiation sweep

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not at this point just just normal

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yep i think really you're not getting

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as we're looking around the readings

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read and they didn't read anything

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what we call background noise i think

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frustration of the ranch

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because you know just a few days before

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there was enough radiation there where

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travis got radiation burns he didn't

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uh pee for a couple of days which is

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another sign of radiation

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um you know various things like that so

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it was serious so we quarantined off the

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area completely

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they didn't even measure their major

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trace you know just basically background

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uh radiation and radiation doesn't just

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up and leave from an area it's either

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or it's not and so you know what could

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radiation to be there one day and then

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not another enough radiation where it's

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going to cause physical burns

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and harm and set off a meter that's made

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to measure that sort of thing and then

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be completely gone so

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you know once we got the green light on

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that um you know we

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made sure he stuck around and we started

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drilling so that

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you know we could take core samples and

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make sure that we weren't poking that

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radioactive hornet's nest if you will so

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i guess that's that's the title pokemon

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i think that's very interesting because

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last week a little bit and uh

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he mentioned kind of the same thing we

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asked about

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um whether or not the well water had

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gotten tested

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for radiation and he

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irritated the point that it was

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you know this bromine sort of effect

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so it's interesting to see

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uh where the radiation tests

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spike and where they don't yeah the

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transient nature of it is just

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mind-boggling that i think is the

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it's not just the radiation you know the

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radioactivity i mean excuse me

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all the you know electromagnetic stuff

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and everything it could be in one spot

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and move to another and everything so

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and that is definitely one of the big

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frustrations is it's such a transient

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thing that moves around and what to

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prepare for and what not to prepare

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no i know they um we brought in the

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tribal leader or the the someone to come

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and bless the land i don't want to

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i you know we're going to have jim on so

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i'll ask him more

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in depth about that because i know that

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that's kind of he's got these great

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relationships with

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um with the ut tribe um

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and uh so i you know let him speak to

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that stuff but i know when they came in

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or when he came in and did that

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it just seemed like it was kind of a

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relief almost

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amongst you guys um but did you feel

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that i mean was that kind of what was

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that was actually a really emotional day

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they they only showed a little bit and

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some of that was because

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larry says food is is the gentleman that

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um and he's a youth spiritual leader

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and uh he actually took the time and

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made him turn the cameras off

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and did a blessing with like their sweet

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and the eagle feather and everything for

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the entire crew for the camera guys

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everything i mean he individually went

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around and did that for everyone

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um as you know a protection and he

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talked about you know they briefly

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touched on how he said

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you know when you disturb the earth you

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need to do so carefully

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and with a meaning not just out there

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willy-nilly and

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that kind of plays into the narrative of

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what we've been told

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and so yeah i mean you saw a little

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snippet of our time with larry but it

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yeah there did seem to be a sense of

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relief once you know he said look

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we've done everything we can i mean i've

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done everything i could

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had a radiation test he did everything

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we're gonna do it and so we went forward

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and that's something that that i think

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is really cool about the show

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you know and i i think a lot of people

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talking negatively about the show

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aren't actually watching the show to see

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what's taking place on the show

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and that is in instances like this

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experts are being brought in

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when it's appropriate for the particular

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uh experiment or

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or or investigation taking place and in

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this case having radiation experts

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come on and do the test rather than have

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someone like travis just walk around

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with a dose meter or a geiger counter

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and go yeah it looks good to me

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you know you've got experts coming in to

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do this along with the team and i think

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that's really admirable of the show to

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well and and also that the native

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youth connection is is very important

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because without that what is the story

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of skinwalker ranch so

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i appreciate that that is also brought

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into the

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the dialogue and that it was done in

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such a delicate way

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um and what people don't realize is how

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long you guys are actually there for

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so we only saw it as this quick you know

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the you know the little

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ceremony and then okay bow your heads

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and then you guys hug and it's like

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well i saw people commenting like why is

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he hugging like he

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wasn't like he was there all i'm like no

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actually he was there all day

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you know just they built a bond over

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that time period it wasn't just

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15 minutes it's tv time tv time

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he helped me a lot i was having all

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anxieties and things like that about you

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know all kinds of stuff and yeah

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he was a really calming influence he was

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great he was growing

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awesome so now while you were drilling

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what was up with the poles shaking look

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at that

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the whole power line's wobbling why is

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the wire's going nuts it was violent

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and look look all the way down there oh

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holy sh yeah it's crazy

290
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like there was the promo was a little

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misleading but then

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during the episode you actually saw saw

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how it was happening

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um like were you hearing it was it just

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the whole ground shaking or was it just

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those poles

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no it was just the power line it was

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that one pole and the and then all the

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wires leading down

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um just started vibrating and shaking

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really hard

302
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um enough to you know make enough noise

303
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of them clanking together and for

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everybody to look up

305
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and and we don't know what in the world

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that was about

307
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um it wasn't the drill rig wasn't on at

308
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the time

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um so that was okay that's good to know

310
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because it was kind of uh

311
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not now that clear yeah you guys didn't

312
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feel any vibration on the ground at all

313
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when that was happening

314
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no it was weird it was just the pole

315
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started shaking and

316
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you can see the lines down the way

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shaking quite a bit and you know

318
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i don't know you can't you can't see

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around the corner there was no

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people down there at that side so

321
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you know that one's a mystery to me i

322
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it didn't blow me away as much as you

323
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know some people were

324
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right on edge enough i've been around

325
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that place enough to be

326
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a little bit numb to some of that this

327
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sort of thing

328
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um but yeah i don't i don't know what

329
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caused it it happened for a few minutes

330
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and then

331
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it stopped again okay so i mean

332
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ultimately

333
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you know the drill didn't get all that

334
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far

335
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give us like the in

336
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inconclusive results so you know stay

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tuned

338
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but you know we buried the lead here um

339
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that everyone's been talking about the

340
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alpacas

341
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uh you know the internet's gone crazy

342
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and uh

343
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you know what can what can you say like

344
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being there and

345
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that morning and kind of give us a play

346
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by player

347
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yeah your insurance it really was

348
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um an unfortunate situation that

349
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i mean tom and candace the two

350
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caretakers um

351
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that live on the property wanted you

352
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know some animals

353
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uh different than just a herd of cows on

354
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the property because they you know they

355
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like animals they wanted

356
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i guess pets and so they came up with

357
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the idea to have alpacas because they

358
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studied

359
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that they were you know they had

360
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characteristics they weren't

361
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ones that are going to run off they're

362
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not going to be mean to people they're a

363
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little more docile than say llamas and

364
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and something like that so they arranged

365
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to get a couple

366
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of alpacas and you saw them bring them

367
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on the property and how excited they

368
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were and everything

369
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and so to acclimate them we put them in

370
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that

371
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corral right there by the ranch house so

372
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you know

373
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that they weren't just set off into the

374
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wild i mean it was actually

375
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done that way to try and help them

376
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you know feel safer and so on and so

377
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forth it was

378
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that night or that next very next

379
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morning when they came on the property

380
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that you know the one was was attacked

381
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and um you know it's unfortunate that

382
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our camera

383
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went down at that time or wasn't fixed

384
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and at the right time um but ultimately

385
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you know tom came out and chased off

386
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what you know my estimation was a pack

387
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of

388
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come around in packs

389
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um they're dangerous they've you know

390
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they come at people you know when

391
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wild dogs get together they're they're

392
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pretty dangerous

393
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based on what their reports were and

394
00:14:06,470 --> 00:14:05,360
what little footage we were able to

395
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capture i

396
00:14:10,230 --> 00:14:07,920
i mean that's my feeling that's my

397
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estimation um

398
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and so yeah it was serious we called the

399
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vet immediately

400
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um he came out and you know

401
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patched up that alpaca and got it taken

402
00:14:22,710 --> 00:14:20,800
care of and then we

403
00:14:24,150 --> 00:14:22,720
took measures and and moved them to a

404
00:14:25,590 --> 00:14:24,160
different location on the ranch which is

405
00:14:27,990 --> 00:14:25,600
much more secure

406
00:14:28,710 --> 00:14:28,000
her predators can't get into them and

407
00:14:30,870 --> 00:14:28,720
then

408
00:14:31,829 --> 00:14:30,880
you know shortly thereafter we realized

409
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that

410
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just because it was skinwalker ranch

411
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that they probably needed to go

412
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to a different place and so you know the

413
00:14:43,030 --> 00:14:40,000
last thing that

414
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was tried to do

415
00:14:46,069 --> 00:14:45,040
is has caused them harm they weren't

416
00:14:49,189 --> 00:14:46,079
bait

417
00:14:50,389 --> 00:14:49,199
they weren't anything like that um you

418
00:14:51,990 --> 00:14:50,399
know it's like different people we've

419
00:14:53,430 --> 00:14:52,000
talked about travis taylor

420
00:14:55,430 --> 00:14:53,440
when he came out of the ranch we'll be

421
00:14:56,550 --> 00:14:55,440
interested to see how the ranch reacts

422
00:14:58,949 --> 00:14:56,560
to travis

423
00:14:59,670 --> 00:14:58,959
and it did you know the ranch reacted

424
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and we thought

425
00:15:02,949 --> 00:15:01,360
you know maybe the ranch would react to

426
00:15:05,750 --> 00:15:02,959
different types of animals

427
00:15:06,870 --> 00:15:05,760
it wasn't meant to see if you know we

428
00:15:08,629 --> 00:15:06,880
could get them harmed

429
00:15:10,230 --> 00:15:08,639
or you know anything like that it

430
00:15:12,150 --> 00:15:10,240
strictly was

431
00:15:13,670 --> 00:15:12,160
you know we haven't had anything

432
00:15:16,150 --> 00:15:13,680
different on the property

433
00:15:18,629 --> 00:15:16,160
and these guys want pets and so they

434
00:15:20,470 --> 00:15:18,639
want alpacas let's bring alpacas

435
00:15:21,670 --> 00:15:20,480
it didn't work so we made sure we got

436
00:15:24,150 --> 00:15:21,680
rid of them so that they wouldn't be

437
00:15:27,030 --> 00:15:24,160
hurt again

438
00:15:28,150 --> 00:15:27,040
there it is it was not bait people so

439
00:15:29,990 --> 00:15:28,160
those were listening

440
00:15:32,230 --> 00:15:30,000
but i kind of like the fact that you

441
00:15:33,670 --> 00:15:32,240
just mentioned that travis taylor was

442
00:15:35,670 --> 00:15:33,680
kind of fake

443
00:15:37,060 --> 00:15:35,680
uh no i would i would have been okay

444
00:15:38,829 --> 00:15:37,070
with him getting chewed now

445
00:15:41,350 --> 00:15:38,839
[Laughter]

446
00:15:42,870 --> 00:15:41,360
interesting i could see that connection

447
00:15:47,350 --> 00:15:42,880
you know what's funny about that

448
00:15:52,389 --> 00:15:50,790
like travis and i hate each other's gods

449
00:15:54,870 --> 00:15:52,399
it really makes it look like we're in

450
00:15:56,470 --> 00:15:54,880
fact you know i've had people say yeah

451
00:15:58,470 --> 00:15:56,480
you said you like that guy and actually

452
00:16:00,150 --> 00:15:58,480
travis and i are very good friends you

453
00:16:02,310 --> 00:16:00,160
don't spend that much time with somebody

454
00:16:03,350 --> 00:16:02,320
day and night and obviously friends and

455
00:16:05,430 --> 00:16:03,360
everything but

456
00:16:06,949 --> 00:16:05,440
because we didn't necessarily agree on

457
00:16:09,189 --> 00:16:06,959
what you wanted to do versus

458
00:16:10,150 --> 00:16:09,199
you know what i didn't think should be

459
00:16:12,389 --> 00:16:10,160
done

460
00:16:13,269 --> 00:16:12,399
it it certainly looks that way but but

461
00:16:15,030 --> 00:16:13,279
no i

462
00:16:16,629 --> 00:16:15,040
i have nothing but good things to say

463
00:16:18,629 --> 00:16:16,639
about travis i like to poke fun of them

464
00:16:20,710 --> 00:16:18,639
but i like to do that with everybody

465
00:16:23,030 --> 00:16:20,720
absolutely i think that's the right way

466
00:16:25,269 --> 00:16:23,040
to be i wish more people could

467
00:16:26,710 --> 00:16:25,279
i wish more people watched this because

468
00:16:28,790 --> 00:16:26,720
this is who you really are

469
00:16:30,470 --> 00:16:28,800
like not that you're acting on the show

470
00:16:31,990 --> 00:16:30,480
but it's you don't get to

471
00:16:34,230 --> 00:16:32,000
know you're not but you don't get to see

472
00:16:34,790 --> 00:16:34,240
this personality come out as much you

473
00:16:37,030 --> 00:16:34,800
know because

474
00:16:39,030 --> 00:16:37,040
you're seeing it all in a microcosm of

475
00:16:41,030 --> 00:16:39,040
of a quick clip a quick clip like

476
00:16:42,629 --> 00:16:41,040
a facial expression you know a reaction

477
00:16:44,069 --> 00:16:42,639
and it's you know nobody gets to talk to

478
00:16:45,509 --> 00:16:44,079
you or have a conversation and

479
00:16:47,670 --> 00:16:45,519
i wish people could see this like you're

480
00:16:50,629 --> 00:16:47,680
a real person you're a dude

481
00:16:52,230 --> 00:16:50,639
you know you're working like that's what

482
00:16:55,509 --> 00:16:52,240
he wants you to believe

483
00:16:58,470 --> 00:16:55,519
right the thing that i make facial

484
00:17:01,430 --> 00:16:58,480
expressions come on

485
00:17:04,150 --> 00:17:01,440
no i i i mean that's that's why it's so

486
00:17:06,470 --> 00:17:04,160
hard with the internet it's like

487
00:17:07,750 --> 00:17:06,480
people don't understand that that you're

488
00:17:10,390 --> 00:17:07,760
a real person and

489
00:17:12,230 --> 00:17:10,400
and you clearly are involved in the

490
00:17:13,350 --> 00:17:12,240
investigation we've talked about it

491
00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:13,360
already

492
00:17:20,150 --> 00:17:16,480
in depth because you've been there from

493
00:17:22,309 --> 00:17:20,160
day one and uh it makes sense

494
00:17:23,829 --> 00:17:22,319
but people don't understand it so they

495
00:17:26,069 --> 00:17:23,839
think you're just like

496
00:17:27,909 --> 00:17:26,079
running around the ranch with your guns

497
00:17:31,590 --> 00:17:27,919
and

498
00:17:35,510 --> 00:17:31,600
really but it's it's it's not what's

499
00:17:38,470 --> 00:17:35,520
really happening no and and it's okay

500
00:17:40,549 --> 00:17:38,480
you know i there's definitely times when

501
00:17:42,950 --> 00:17:40,559
you know if i need to get pissed i'll

502
00:17:44,789 --> 00:17:42,960
be pissed and i've told them already i'm

503
00:17:46,230 --> 00:17:44,799
an equal opportunity [\h__\h] i've said

504
00:17:49,350 --> 00:17:46,240
that to him before

505
00:17:51,750 --> 00:17:49,360
you know and and uh if

506
00:17:53,430 --> 00:17:51,760
if if occasion calls for it then sure

507
00:17:54,310 --> 00:17:53,440
and if you know if i feel strongly about

508
00:17:58,150 --> 00:17:54,320
something sure

509
00:18:01,270 --> 00:17:58,160
but uh you know at the end of the day i

510
00:18:03,510 --> 00:18:01,280
i'm there to do a job and and they're

511
00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:03,520
just gonna do it

512
00:18:07,669 --> 00:18:04,960
no and you and you're doing a great job

513
00:18:10,150 --> 00:18:07,679
of it i mean look the criticisms are all

514
00:18:11,510 --> 00:18:10,160
personal attacks online and just yes i

515
00:18:14,310 --> 00:18:11,520
mean it's

516
00:18:15,270 --> 00:18:14,320
i don't know i i just shut off the

517
00:18:17,990 --> 00:18:15,280
internet it's kind of my

518
00:18:19,029 --> 00:18:18,000
my latest you know my latest response to

519
00:18:20,870 --> 00:18:19,039
stuff um

520
00:18:22,549 --> 00:18:20,880
because i'm looking through stuff like

521
00:18:25,190 --> 00:18:22,559
trying to find questions for

522
00:18:25,990 --> 00:18:25,200
you to ask yeah you know tonight it's

523
00:18:28,310 --> 00:18:26,000
it's like

524
00:18:29,669 --> 00:18:28,320
you know it's the same people harping on

525
00:18:31,190 --> 00:18:29,679
the same stuff and it's like well no you

526
00:18:33,350 --> 00:18:31,200
have an opportunity to ask

527
00:18:35,190 --> 00:18:33,360
him something like this is what you're

528
00:18:38,230 --> 00:18:35,200
going to say come on

529
00:18:39,669 --> 00:18:38,240
so you know i i really love this

530
00:18:41,270 --> 00:18:39,679
this dialogue with you and i want people

531
00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:41,280
to like hear this and say oh shoot

532
00:18:45,510 --> 00:18:43,840
next time ask da da you know let's get

533
00:18:47,190 --> 00:18:45,520
more info out of him like how are you

534
00:18:48,870 --> 00:18:47,200
feeling out there you know what was

535
00:18:50,549 --> 00:18:48,880
so you know what let's just go right to

536
00:18:51,909 --> 00:18:50,559
these these questions um maureen you

537
00:18:55,750 --> 00:18:51,919
want to go for the first ones

538
00:18:58,150 --> 00:18:55,760
uh from the viewers so bibi asks

539
00:18:59,590 --> 00:18:58,160
my question is when the 30 years of

540
00:19:03,669 --> 00:18:59,600
experience in the area

541
00:19:06,390 --> 00:19:03,679
dvm came out what was the answer

542
00:19:07,350 --> 00:19:06,400
when he was asked what kind of animal do

543
00:19:10,390 --> 00:19:07,360
you think

544
00:19:14,549 --> 00:19:10,400
attacked the alpaca

545
00:19:16,950 --> 00:19:14,559
uh i ever seen anything that looked like

546
00:19:18,390 --> 00:19:16,960
this attack before

547
00:19:20,390 --> 00:19:18,400
so you're talking about i guess they're

548
00:19:22,230 --> 00:19:20,400
talking about the vet that came out when

549
00:19:26,789 --> 00:19:22,240
the alpaca was back

550
00:19:29,909 --> 00:19:26,799
um and i don't necessarily think that he

551
00:19:32,310 --> 00:19:29,919
even speculated um on

552
00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:32,320
what type of animal it was he briefly

553
00:19:35,669 --> 00:19:33,280
touched on

554
00:19:36,710 --> 00:19:35,679
he was really he was really wanted to

555
00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:36,720
shy away from

556
00:19:41,029 --> 00:19:38,400
associating himself with the whole

557
00:19:43,430 --> 00:19:41,039
cattle mutilation you know stuff

558
00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:43,440
and so you you saw they gave very very

559
00:19:48,310 --> 00:19:44,720
short answers

560
00:19:51,270 --> 00:19:48,320
um to the questions yeah

561
00:19:52,150 --> 00:19:51,280
dude the fact that there's you know he's

562
00:19:53,990 --> 00:19:52,160
a professional

563
00:19:55,430 --> 00:19:54,000
and he doesn't want to you know put

564
00:19:56,710 --> 00:19:55,440
himself out there that he's

565
00:19:59,190 --> 00:19:56,720
going to say yeah something

566
00:20:01,190 --> 00:19:59,200
unexplainable mutilated he did say that

567
00:20:02,710 --> 00:20:01,200
the cow that had its tail missing

568
00:20:05,510 --> 00:20:02,720
they couldn't tell if it had been cut

569
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:05,520
off or if it had been bitten off by

570
00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:06,000
something

571
00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:07,679
so because the nature of the wound was

572
00:20:12,789 --> 00:20:10,000
such that it was pretty clean

573
00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:12,799
it didn't look like it was torn um and

574
00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:13,440
so that's

575
00:20:18,310 --> 00:20:16,400
what when that that was when he spoke to

576
00:20:18,789 --> 00:20:18,320
you know the cow that he was called out

577
00:20:21,510 --> 00:20:18,799
when

578
00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:21,520
the sherman's on the property um that he

579
00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:23,280
knew

580
00:20:28,549 --> 00:20:26,880
you know his his speculation um

581
00:20:30,149 --> 00:20:28,559
because there's so many different

582
00:20:31,750 --> 00:20:30,159
animals around that area that are

583
00:20:33,270 --> 00:20:31,760
dangerous predators

584
00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:33,280
it could have been a mountain lion it

585
00:20:37,750 --> 00:20:35,120
could have been you know

586
00:20:39,510 --> 00:20:37,760
dogs it could have been coyotes you know

587
00:20:43,029 --> 00:20:39,520
there's a number of

588
00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:43,039
not crazy direwolf type creatures that

589
00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:44,320
live in the area that could have done

590
00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:47,440
that damage to the alpaca

591
00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:52,080
dragon have you uh seen

592
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:55,520
crazy animal mutilation

593
00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:58,320
prior to this in terms of what's on the

594
00:21:02,070 --> 00:20:59,039
ranch

595
00:21:05,750 --> 00:21:02,080
no that you can talk that um

596
00:21:07,590 --> 00:21:05,760
since we i i can absolutely say since

597
00:21:08,950 --> 00:21:07,600
since brandon or i've been associated

598
00:21:11,430 --> 00:21:08,960
with it um

599
00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:11,440
you know we've had cows out there um

600
00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:13,840
every single year that we've been there

601
00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:16,159
and other than the one that you saw dead

602
00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:17,600
in episode one

603
00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:20,640
we've never lost an animal um

604
00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:23,280
before now you have we seen coyotes have

605
00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:24,720
they come around

606
00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:27,280
um you know have they chased the cattle

607
00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:28,720
and things like that

608
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:31,200
we've seen mountain lions kill deer and

609
00:21:34,870 --> 00:21:32,400
elk and things like that

610
00:21:36,630 --> 00:21:34,880
on the property but as far as a

611
00:21:37,990 --> 00:21:36,640
mutilated animal we haven't come across

612
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:38,000
any of that

613
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:41,760
thank you armagest asked why wasn't he

614
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:43,760
or a security team there to protect the

615
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:44,880
alpacas

616
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:46,720
when they're carrying rifles and

617
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:48,799
shotguns around all the time

618
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:52,159
isn't security around the clock

619
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:55,200
okay no that's that's a fair question it

620
00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:56,640
actually happened

621
00:22:00,310 --> 00:21:59,600
like very early in the morning and you

622
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:00,320
know

623
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:04,480
with caleb and i there it's 512 acres

624
00:22:08,549 --> 00:22:07,280
so the fact of the matter is we were not

625
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:08,559
near the homestead

626
00:22:12,070 --> 00:22:11,039
which is generally probably the safest

627
00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:12,080
place

628
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:14,240
necessarily guarding the alpacas because

629
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:16,159
we were thinking that there was

630
00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:17,440
necessarily a threat

631
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:19,679
to those animals we were out doing our

632
00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:20,559
patrols

633
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:23,600
so caleb was at i think the east side of

634
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:25,440
the property and i was at the west

635
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:29,200
and it just so happened that um

636
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:30,960
whatever it was that attacked the alpaca

637
00:22:36,390 --> 00:22:33,280
came when neither of us there were there

638
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,400
you know to defend them unfortunately

639
00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:38,400
i mean take place yeah that pen is so

640
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:39,440
close to the

641
00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:41,280
to everything i mean right next to

642
00:22:45,909 --> 00:22:43,679
everything yeah well secure so

643
00:22:47,669 --> 00:22:45,919
it was obviously something pretty brazen

644
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:47,679
right wanted to get in there

645
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:50,400
because i mean there's a vast property

646
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:51,600
there i mean

647
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:56,000
like i said 512 acres is a lot to cover

648
00:23:01,350 --> 00:22:59,280
yeah for sure all right next question

649
00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:01,360
paul asks after watching this week's

650
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:03,039
show why don't the crew

651
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:08,710
you know that's something i would like

652
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:11,039
to do actually um

653
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:13,039
it's definitely something that i would

654
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:14,240
like to do

655
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:17,280
not only for you know we may

656
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:19,840
see something that you know the camera

657
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:21,440
people may not pick up

658
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:24,080
like you know the ufo sighting episode

659
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:25,440
four was

660
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:27,760
that what we got on surveillance was

661
00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:29,760
does not do justice to what i saw with

662
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:30,559
my eyes

663
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:34,320
um but uh i would like it

664
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:36,880
just you know from a from a security

665
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:37,679
standpoint

666
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:39,200
especially with the heightened amount of

667
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:41,440
traffic we're getting at the ranch now

668
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:44,480
there are a lot of people coming both to

669
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:45,679
the gates as well as

670
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:47,520
you know trespassing on the property and

671
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:49,440
things like that yeah so i'd love it

672
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:51,440
to have it for a safety standpoint as

673
00:23:56,630 --> 00:23:53,840
well as a liability standpoint so they

674
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:56,640
can't make up stories but then maybe

675
00:23:59,500 --> 00:23:58,240
i wouldn't have the nickname dragon if

676
00:24:01,990 --> 00:23:59,510
people couldn't make those stories

677
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:02,000
[Laughter]

678
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:05,600
hey i i think we haven't had you on

679
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:09,039
since the episode with the ufo sighting

680
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:11,039
so i think it'd be really cool if you

681
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:11,760
told us

682
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:14,799
from your perspective what

683
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:19,039
happened yeah yeah absolutely

684
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:22,720
so um i've always just kind of held to

685
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:24,320
the fact that i didn't want to make up

686
00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:27,440
any stories that i

687
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:29,200
i refuse to make myself part of a

688
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:31,440
narrative when it comes to that type of

689
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:32,799
thing you know what i mean i'll talk

690
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:33,200
about

691
00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:35,200
the job that i do out there but if it

692
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:36,640
comes to experiences i'm not going to

693
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:37,520
make stuff up

694
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:38,880
because there's too many people that do

695
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:41,360
that and and i won't

696
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:44,640
i hadn't really seen anything crazy um

697
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:47,679
visually on the property and

698
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:51,520
so as soon as we started

699
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:52,880
you know doing the whole rocket

700
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:55,360
experiment it was pretty crazy

701
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:57,600
in the fact that you know the cows

702
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:59,360
started losing their minds and i pointed

703
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:00,000
that out i mean

704
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:03,360
it i don't think the the camerawork did

705
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:04,880
that justice either

706
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:07,760
the cows were literally slamming into

707
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:08,880
the gate

708
00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:10,880
of the of the fence trying to get as far

709
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:12,640
away from that area as possible and so

710
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:14,000
that was weird

711
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:17,360
um and then as we

712
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:19,360
were starting to fire the rockets we

713
00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:20,559
hadn't you know

714
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:22,400
we picked up a little bit of stuff on

715
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:23,919
the instrumentation

716
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:26,960
um destroyed some instrumentation

717
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:29,039
and right as we were getting ready to

718
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:30,559
launch that rocket

719
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:33,840
um at first i what i thought

720
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,559
i saw was like the cameraman's drone

721
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:38,159
that was in the sky

722
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:40,400
because it was dark when i first saw you

723
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:42,080
know this shape and i said

724
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:44,880
what is you know anthony's drone doing

725
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:46,720
and i looked over and i saw anthony was

726
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:48,400
holding his drone in his hand

727
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:49,919
he didn't have it in the sky at that

728
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:52,000
time so

729
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:53,520
you know that's when we call all kind of

730
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:55,360
went wait wait wait a minute what is

731
00:25:59,350 --> 00:25:56,880
that and we see

732
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:59,360
this thing come into view and it was you

733
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:00,159
know it was

734
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:02,400
kind of this type of your your kind of

735
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:04,000
prototypical shape

736
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:05,360
and it was dark at first and then it

737
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:08,159
turned and it glinted really bright

738
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:10,640
um as if something was either reflecting

739
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:12,159
off of it or it was putting its own

740
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:13,360
light off

741
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:16,080
and then it sat there for probably six

742
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:17,039
seven seconds

743
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:19,279
and then kind of just dissipated into a

744
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:21,120
speck and was gone

745
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:24,400
and i it blew my mind

746
00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:26,880
i you know i'd never seen anything like

747
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:28,480
that you know you heard travis dragon

748
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:29,919
you finally seen a ufo

749
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:33,440
you know type of thing i love the voice

750
00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:36,640
and it was it was crazy

751
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:39,919
really fun it was really crazy

752
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:43,279
so so it changed your mind of

753
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:45,279
of what sort of you've been

754
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:47,360
investigating this whole time maybe

755
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:50,400
or not um i mean

756
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:51,600
not necessarily what we've been

757
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:52,960
investigating because that's kind of the

758
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:54,400
narrative and other people you know

759
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:55,279
brandon

760
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:57,600
stuff and tom has seen stuff i had just

761
00:27:01,590 --> 00:26:58,880
personally never

762
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:01,600
seen anything and it was kind of

763
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:03,039
frustrating at times because

764
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:05,200
gosh i'd leave i'd leave for a weekend

765
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:06,080
and

766
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:08,000
the place would go crazy with activity

767
00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:09,760
and things like that but for me

768
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:11,919
and i think that's why physically it had

769
00:27:15,149 --> 00:27:14,159
it kind of messed with me a little bit

770
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:15,159
i don't know that it was the

771
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:17,520
electromagnetics or anything like that i

772
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:18,240
think

773
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:21,279
truly my mind could not wrap itself

774
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:22,000
around

775
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:24,720
what i had just seen and so you know my

776
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:26,480
heart started to race the adrenaline was

777
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:27,279
pumping

778
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:29,440
i mean it it truly was it was

779
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:30,399
life-changing and

780
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:32,720
i've told people i will take it to my

781
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:34,480
grave i know what i saw

782
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:36,559
you could say you know it was this and

783
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:37,679
that but

784
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:40,880
but it truly is something that i will

785
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:42,640
always have had that experience and

786
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:44,320
yeah i can close my eyes right now and

787
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:45,840
see it as if it was

788
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:48,399
you know that's awesome you can hear all

789
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:49,440
the stories

790
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:52,080
you know in the world but nothing

791
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:54,399
substitutes personal experience

792
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:55,919
right i mean even people you're very

793
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:57,520
close with you can hear

794
00:28:01,990 --> 00:27:59,360
their personal stories of things that

795
00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:02,000
they saw or said they experienced and

796
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:02,640
that's all

797
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:04,640
all well and good but you know to you

798
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:06,320
it's just somebody's story when you

799
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:08,559
experience experience it for yourself

800
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:10,080
that's a completely different

801
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:13,440
situation yeah i was shaken i

802
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:17,279
you know i i called family and was like

803
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:18,880
they're like what is going on i'm like

804
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:20,320
wow why

805
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:22,960
because i was like i i just saw a

806
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:24,720
freaking ufo and i don't know

807
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:27,840
about that that's awesome uh next

808
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:30,159
questions uh from facebook

809
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:33,600
this is from sonya haltberg and she said

810
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:35,360
even though the activity is transient

811
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:37,760
have any patterns been found outside of

812
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:38,559
introducing

813
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:42,000
new people or animals have you guys seen

814
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:44,240
or looked at astrological correlations

815
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:46,240
to activity moon phases positions of

816
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:47,840
planets etcetera etcetera

817
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:48,799
have you noticed anything like that

818
00:28:53,110 --> 00:28:51,760
dragon um that's probably a better

819
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:53,120
question for eric yeah

820
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:55,039
as i was reading it i thought so that

821
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:56,559
kind of stuff yeah

822
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:58,320
yeah that's the good thing about eric

823
00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:59,840
and i can speak to that i mean you guys

824
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:01,039
have had him on

825
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:04,640
you okay he's brilliant um and he does

826
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:06,159
as i mentioned i think the first time i

827
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:08,640
was on he's going to go through

828
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:12,720
every sort of data that he has and and

829
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:15,039
make sure that something is legit or

830
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:16,799
he'll put any findings out

831
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:19,279
um so as far as patterns go that's

832
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:21,039
actually part of the frustration that i

833
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:23,360
spoke of a little bit earlier is that

834
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:25,360
it doesn't seem to have a follow a

835
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:26,640
pattern or a map

836
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:30,640
it's just the only pattern is that

837
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:32,480
it messes with you one day and it

838
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:35,279
doesn't another so

839
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:38,480
so the next questions from susan

840
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:39,360
kaminski

841
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:42,640
mormondo she says i want an update on

842
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:43,360
jed

843
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:46,320
the alpaca i think i got that yeah you

844
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:46,799
guys

845
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:50,320
get living happily on another ranch

846
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:52,960
nice excellent next question from ashley

847
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:54,000
ko couric and she

848
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:56,159
asks what is the worst and best

849
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:57,840
experience bryant had

850
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:59,440
on skinwalker ranch well we just

851
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:01,200
discussed your best experience

852
00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:04,240
by seeing the actual

853
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:16,389
it was definitely you know the most

854
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:19,840
um i don't know amazing

855
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:22,080
experience i had was you know definitely

856
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:22,960
seeing

857
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:25,360
that ufo because i'd never had that but

858
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:27,200
i mean i think

859
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:31,120
the best experience was um

860
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:34,240
just having the opportunity to

861
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:35,440
associate with a whole bunch of

862
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:36,720
different people that otherwise i never

863
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:38,159
would have had the chance to

864
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:40,320
um larry spooch the native american guy

865
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:41,440
we had another one

866
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:44,880
from we had another uh guy jules and i

867
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:47,039
can't remember his last name

868
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:50,480
um from the navajo tribe that came out

869
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:52,640
um both incredible people different

870
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:53,919
perspectives

871
00:30:59,509 --> 00:30:57,519
you know associating with travis um

872
00:31:01,509 --> 00:30:59,519
he's a brilliant guy and i would have

873
00:31:02,549 --> 00:31:01,519
probably never had that opportunity so

874
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:02,559
i think the friendships and the

875
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:04,080
association to me are the best

876
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:05,039
experience

877
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:07,360
that i've gained from it but definitely

878
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,480
as far as

879
00:31:11,669 --> 00:31:10,799
the most exciting and you know

880
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:11,679
mind-blowing

881
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:13,919
like that was definitely that ufo

882
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:15,360
experience and then

883
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:18,640
you know negative experiences um

884
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:22,159
yeah seeing people get hurt seeing the

885
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:23,120
animals

886
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:26,880
um get hurt feelings i've had where

887
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:30,080
it's almost like you know an impending

888
00:31:33,509 --> 00:31:31,919
doom feeling and i have to get away from

889
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:33,519
that part of the ranch there's really

890
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:35,360
dark ominous places that

891
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:36,960
you know sometimes are that way and

892
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:38,720
others that aren't um

893
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:40,960
but for the most part i honestly will

894
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:42,799
say my experiences on the ranch

895
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:46,080
are 95 very positive

896
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:48,000
i i love that place it's my favorite

897
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:50,000
place that there is

898
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:51,120
i think that's one of the first things

899
00:31:54,070 --> 00:31:52,640
you said to me i met you like that this

900
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:54,080
is one of your favorite places to be

901
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:57,279
to be it's like all right well talking

902
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:59,039
about these positive relationships

903
00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:01,039
you've developed and you know these

904
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:02,320
positive feelings you have for the

905
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:03,840
people you've been able to work with

906
00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:05,840
you're really working hard just to

907
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:07,910
destroy your tv persona

908
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:11,360
[Laughter]

909
00:32:15,669 --> 00:32:14,000
dragon hates everybody yeah i know

910
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:15,679
that's what everyone thinks

911
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:19,760
but what blanket hey you know what

912
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:22,159
i it's not what people say is that i'm

913
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:23,360
the little kid no

914
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:35,669
they need to see this and see the real

915
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:36,720
like it's a person

916
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:39,679
you know see the real brian well i mean

917
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:40,799
that's what you're

918
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:43,360
trying to say yeah air too everybody

919
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:44,960
thinks that everybody on the show is a

920
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:46,000
curmudgeon

921
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:49,840
but eric actually is but yes yes

922
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:53,679
and and it's very opposite from what the

923
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:54,320
case is

924
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:57,360
is you're out there for the best

925
00:33:01,830 --> 00:32:58,720
interests of everyone

926
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:01,840
you're a nice guy and

927
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:03,840
you're doing your job you're doing your

928
00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:06,720
job yeah it's not like you're

929
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,559
not a disneylander this isn't just a fun

930
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:10,559
thing yeah exactly

931
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:15,039
right now maybe you are a dick master i

932
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:17,039
don't know

933
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:19,600
what's dig master am i missing that is

934
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:26,870
it's now hashtag dig master

935
00:33:31,390 --> 00:33:29,760
dragon dig master oh i'm just a big [\h__\h]

936
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:31,400
block on the ranch that's good

937
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:34,399
[Laughter]

938
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:38,000
i am yeah and you do it well

939
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:44,310
i gotta agree well thanks again man uh

940
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:45,840
seriously for coming uh

941
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:48,720
coming around yes thank you brian go on

942
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:50,960
my hand with the lights and everything i

943
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:52,559
apologize

944
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:54,880
at all that'd be uh i did who knew that

945
00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:56,159
i would have better success on

946
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:58,240
skinwalker ranch than i would in a

947
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:01,679
multi-million dollar right

948
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:03,840
hey look we've been having all sorts of

949
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:06,640
problems with this podcast uh

950
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:11,040
in all of our homes so not a surprise

951
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:12,720
i i've enjoyed watching them and

952
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:14,720
listening to them and you guys are

953
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:16,960
you guys are great i'll i'll have these

954
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:18,639
discussions anytime

955
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:21,280
very cool well we will uh have you back

956
00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:22,240
again

957
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:24,159
very soon and i know there's uh the

958
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:25,760
panel coming up maureen

959
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:27,440
or what is this panel why don't you guys

960
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:29,440
plug that may 30th

961
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:32,879
i will be uh moderating a panel

962
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:35,919
featuring uh bryant uh

963
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:39,119
or dragon whichever name you want to uh

964
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:39,919
known by

965
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:43,040
uh thomas i think eric

966
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:46,000
bard a principal investigator of

967
00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:49,359
skinwalker ranch and tj

968
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:52,399
so and and jim oh

969
00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:57,829
yeah so it's gonna be a really great

970
00:35:02,470 --> 00:34:59,599
time if you have

971
00:35:04,109 --> 00:35:02,480
any questions please send them to

972
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:04,119
contact

973
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,440
rogueplanet.tv because we will ask them

974
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:09,599
if they are relevant questions and

975
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:11,520
maureen mention the website and tell

976
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:12,720
people how they can register for this

977
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:14,160
wonderful panel

978
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:18,160
oh thank you jason allthestrange.com

979
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:20,800
uh so yeah it'll be a free full day

980
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:22,320
event may 30th

981
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:24,079
we're going to be talking about bigfoot

982
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:26,320
ufos skinwalker ranch

983
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:31,040
all the strange as it's called awesome

984
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:34,079
and if you guys have uh questions for

985
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:34,640
the

986
00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:38,560
how do we

987
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:41,359
get all of us again just like maureen

988
00:35:44,109 --> 00:35:42,079
just said

989
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:44,119
email is fantastic contact

990
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:45,599
rogueplanet.tv

991
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:47,520
but we're all over twitter too you can

992
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:50,000
always reach us at skinwalkerpod on

993
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:51,200
twitter

994
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:53,200
awesome thanks again guys and that's it

995
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:54,400
for this week

996
00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:56,079
of the skinwalker debrief be sure to

997
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:58,240
join us next week when we welcome the

998
00:36:01,829 --> 00:35:59,280
ranch manager

999
00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:01,839
jim morris for the first time ever on

1000
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:02,720
the show

1001
00:36:13,970 --> 00:36:05,119
so uh thanks again man and we will see